1 00:00:10,900 --> 00:00:38,560 [Music] 2 00:00:45,229 --> 00:00:42,920 hello everyone so often in this world we 3 00:00:48,069 --> 00:00:45,239 don't know exactly what's going on 4 00:00:50,360 --> 00:00:48,079 there's a lot going on behind the scenes 5 00:00:55,150 --> 00:00:50,370 hard to read between the lines 6 00:01:00,459 --> 00:00:55,160 it seems that cults organizations and 7 00:01:03,080 --> 00:01:00,469 tightly woven symmetrical groups are 8 00:01:04,719 --> 00:01:03,090 absolutely and sincerely in control of a 9 00:01:10,969 --> 00:01:04,729 lot more than we give them credit for 10 00:01:15,289 --> 00:01:10,979 and tonight's guest is a rock star he's 11 00:01:17,630 --> 00:01:15,299 a very very good guy and he's gonna take 12 00:01:20,420 --> 00:01:17,640 us behind that curtain behind that veil 13 00:01:24,770 --> 00:01:20,430 and explain some of what goes on in 14 00:01:27,469 --> 00:01:24,780 these quote-unquote UFO cults societies 15 00:01:31,359 --> 00:01:27,479 that aren't as well known in Southers 16 00:01:35,530 --> 00:01:31,369 and explain the inner workings and 17 00:01:39,250 --> 00:01:35,540 explain how he got out of it we 18 00:01:42,160 --> 00:01:39,260 of an amazing guy coming on here and I 19 00:01:45,730 --> 00:01:42,170 can't wait to talk to him this Brian 20 00:01:48,580 --> 00:01:45,740 Bach and he is related to the very 21 00:01:50,320 --> 00:01:48,590 famous Johann Sebastian Bach it's just 22 00:01:53,530 --> 00:01:50,330 one of the neat things about Brian 23 00:01:57,969 --> 00:01:53,540 he's an altruistic aliy good good guy 24 00:02:02,530 --> 00:01:57,979 and it's gonna be quite the treat 25 00:02:05,620 --> 00:02:02,540 talking to him on that note I would do a 26 00:02:07,390 --> 00:02:05,630 little shameless self-promotion all of 27 00:02:10,240 --> 00:02:07,400 the episodes of the hyper anomalous 28 00:02:13,210 --> 00:02:10,250 esoteric research organization podcast 29 00:02:16,480 --> 00:02:13,220 are available at hero 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guess Nathan's 58 00:03:49,180 --> 00:03:47,810 in Arizona now and he's talking about 59 00:03:51,580 --> 00:03:49,190 maybe doing one out there 60 00:03:56,110 --> 00:03:51,590 so that that could be fun if I'm able to 61 00:03:57,760 --> 00:03:56,120 get out there yes maybe here the one 62 00:03:59,980 --> 00:03:57,770 thing you know we kind of race to go for 63 00:04:03,190 --> 00:03:59,990 it the one in his done then the one meat 64 00:04:05,560 --> 00:04:03,200 by organized marathon that though he 65 00:04:06,700 --> 00:04:05,570 what happened yeah yeah it was it was a 66 00:04:10,210 --> 00:04:06,710 pleasure meeting you you're one of the 67 00:04:11,080 --> 00:04:10,220 coolest guys that I met and you have 68 00:04:13,090 --> 00:04:11,090 great family 69 00:04:16,600 --> 00:04:13,100 we were actually camping right next to 70 00:04:18,990 --> 00:04:16,610 each other so that was really cool so 71 00:04:24,000 --> 00:04:19,000 yeah I wanted to discuss some of the 72 00:04:26,790 --> 00:04:24,010 less known facts about ufology so often 73 00:04:30,280 --> 00:04:26,800 it seems like everyone is very 74 00:04:33,910 --> 00:04:30,290 introduced to ufology through social 75 00:04:35,650 --> 00:04:33,920 media or through the mass media the TV 76 00:04:37,480 --> 00:04:35,660 shows on the Discovery Channel the 77 00:04:40,660 --> 00:04:37,490 Travel Channel in the History Channel 78 00:04:44,230 --> 00:04:40,670 and that's all well and good and very 79 00:04:47,320 --> 00:04:44,240 entertaining but you have a long history 80 00:04:50,950 --> 00:04:47,330 in ufology and a lot more unique 81 00:04:52,210 --> 00:04:50,960 experiences than most ufologists and i 82 00:04:53,650 --> 00:04:52,220 was just wondering if you could give us 83 00:04:55,660 --> 00:04:53,660 a little bit of background kind of let 84 00:05:10,860 --> 00:04:55,670 listeners know some of the more unique 85 00:05:14,770 --> 00:05:10,870 things that you know about ufology I 86 00:05:16,690 --> 00:05:14,780 investigated the phenomena don't think 87 00:05:18,940 --> 00:05:16,700 you know didn't know whenever somebody 88 00:05:24,070 --> 00:05:18,950 is distracted was just something that 89 00:05:25,060 --> 00:05:24,080 would thin you and [\h__\h] the day I'm a 90 00:05:27,670 --> 00:05:25,070 fifty years old 91 00:05:29,620 --> 00:05:27,680 and back in the day when I was a little 92 00:05:33,190 --> 00:05:29,630 kid there was no interest there was not 93 00:05:35,080 --> 00:05:33,200 much media promotion about the UFO 94 00:05:38,140 --> 00:05:35,090 unless there was something that was 95 00:05:45,360 --> 00:05:38,150 promoted on TV what you would hear from 96 00:05:47,860 --> 00:05:45,370 folks like Erich von däniken and such so 97 00:05:49,270 --> 00:05:47,870 beautiful thing has Aquino was the kid 98 00:05:52,900 --> 00:05:49,280 stuff was something that always think 99 00:05:54,820 --> 00:05:52,910 this is for some reason and growing up 100 00:05:56,820 --> 00:05:54,830 you know there was a festival in 101 00:06:01,000 --> 00:05:56,830 Argentina that that's where I grew up 102 00:06:02,890 --> 00:06:01,010 okay and some of those groups actually 103 00:06:04,600 --> 00:06:02,900 were dedicated 104 00:06:08,290 --> 00:06:04,610 investigate the phenomenon and the 105 00:06:13,170 --> 00:06:08,300 seriously but my experience actually 106 00:06:16,210 --> 00:06:13,180 took a turn when I got into a group that 107 00:06:19,629 --> 00:06:16,220 looked investigating the phenomena that 108 00:06:23,650 --> 00:06:19,639 also turn into a cult and that is one of 109 00:06:26,400 --> 00:06:23,660 the biggest dangers that people that 110 00:06:31,360 --> 00:06:26,410 want to investigate the phenomena 111 00:06:35,100 --> 00:06:31,370 learning field are like you remember 112 00:06:38,640 --> 00:06:35,110 faction didn't nine mid nineties 113 00:06:41,140 --> 00:06:38,650 Marshall Applewhite and gates are heaven 114 00:06:42,820 --> 00:06:41,150 that was the u.s. whole group you know 115 00:06:45,820 --> 00:06:42,830 very similar to the one that I caught 116 00:06:49,840 --> 00:06:45,830 related knowledge that that had a very 117 00:06:51,450 --> 00:06:49,850 very bad ending do you remember that one 118 00:06:55,060 --> 00:06:51,460 yes yes I do 119 00:06:57,180 --> 00:06:55,070 absolutely and then was what is one of 120 00:07:00,279 --> 00:06:57,190 the very big dangers that anybody that 121 00:07:02,469 --> 00:07:00,289 to get the phenomena can get into 122 00:07:05,499 --> 00:07:02,479 holding for the hands of one of these 123 00:07:08,140 --> 00:07:05,509 groups that has no very good intention 124 00:07:16,140 --> 00:07:08,150 they brainwashed you they [\h__\h] you up in 125 00:07:23,409 --> 00:07:16,150 the faith that mixes the companies with 126 00:07:29,110 --> 00:07:23,419 spiritual thoughts and and explain your 127 00:07:32,070 --> 00:07:29,120 life literally I was lucky that at one 128 00:07:34,930 --> 00:07:32,080 point I realized what was going on and 129 00:07:38,290 --> 00:07:34,940 the leader of the cult engineering 130 00:07:47,050 --> 00:07:38,300 suicide and at that point I just now got 131 00:07:49,149 --> 00:07:47,060 my my ears together and just I took 132 00:07:55,990 --> 00:07:49,159 charge of the small group that we were 133 00:08:01,480 --> 00:07:56,000 and managed to get everybody into a 134 00:08:03,460 --> 00:08:01,490 group therapy but it's trying to make it 135 00:08:05,100 --> 00:08:03,470 into a nutshell ready because everything 136 00:08:09,219 --> 00:08:05,110 that happened actually she's not going 137 00:08:12,820 --> 00:08:09,229 for 15 years but being related and 138 00:08:14,800 --> 00:08:12,830 working with this group and each speech 139 00:08:16,370 --> 00:08:14,810 groupings does actually have their own 140 00:08:19,610 --> 00:08:16,380 different flavor 141 00:08:22,190 --> 00:08:19,620 but they always target people that are 142 00:08:27,500 --> 00:08:22,200 in a very specific end of just you know 143 00:08:32,920 --> 00:08:27,510 funny trouble recognition parental 144 00:08:44,590 --> 00:08:40,190 let me find the word for it they prey on 145 00:08:47,120 --> 00:08:44,600 these people and they [\h__\h] in there 146 00:08:49,250 --> 00:08:47,130 filling them in interest on something 147 00:08:51,950 --> 00:08:49,260 spiritual something that the promise of 148 00:08:54,530 --> 00:08:51,960 a better future the fear of an 149 00:08:56,120 --> 00:08:54,540 apocalypse was and also the thoughts 150 00:08:58,940 --> 00:08:56,130 that tells that in others the 151 00:09:00,290 --> 00:08:58,950 extra-terrestrial either in my face for 152 00:09:03,670 --> 00:09:00,300 instance with a lungful within a 153 00:09:06,350 --> 00:09:03,680 favorite planet so that evacuation spot 154 00:09:09,320 --> 00:09:06,360 so to make up you know just a very long 155 00:09:12,980 --> 00:09:09,330 story short by the end of it when things 156 00:09:17,090 --> 00:09:12,990 actually never ends and they were 157 00:09:18,200 --> 00:09:17,100 running out of excuses the leadership of 158 00:09:20,900 --> 00:09:18,210 this thought they were running out of 159 00:09:23,660 --> 00:09:20,910 excuses in ended up you know being warm 160 00:09:27,640 --> 00:09:23,670 and obvious that everything left and I 161 00:09:30,620 --> 00:09:27,650 left this town and our leader ended up 162 00:09:32,510 --> 00:09:30,630 committing suicide and almost 163 00:09:36,380 --> 00:09:32,520 immediately I love the only one who can 164 00:09:38,360 --> 00:09:36,390 I just got Brits of that and I try to 165 00:09:41,150 --> 00:09:38,370 manage the thing you know just gathering 166 00:09:42,890 --> 00:09:41,160 all the members of the book trying to 167 00:09:46,340 --> 00:09:42,900 clear out you know what was going on 168 00:09:49,130 --> 00:09:46,350 ie I had been training in psychology and 169 00:09:52,220 --> 00:09:49,140 I noticed the meal somewhat somehow how 170 00:09:54,320 --> 00:09:52,230 cults worked and even though I was 171 00:09:56,570 --> 00:09:54,330 brainwashed into one I would be what you 172 00:09:58,400 --> 00:09:56,580 look like that the internet and that's 173 00:10:01,040 --> 00:09:58,410 what one of the main things that helped 174 00:10:01,370 --> 00:10:01,050 me out to help all the other members of 175 00:10:04,250 --> 00:10:01,380 the group 176 00:10:07,000 --> 00:10:04,260 I think saving ours I was able to 177 00:10:10,280 --> 00:10:07,010 government into a group at the end that 178 00:10:13,100 --> 00:10:10,290 with the help of a very very Congress 179 00:10:16,550 --> 00:10:13,110 book of psychology 180 00:10:17,960 --> 00:10:16,560 they took individual therapies and in 181 00:10:23,860 --> 00:10:17,970 turn you know that you're able to 182 00:10:27,980 --> 00:10:23,870 recover one shot from the brain cults 183 00:10:29,790 --> 00:10:27,990 brainwashing in the Pope and well at 184 00:10:32,730 --> 00:10:29,800 least you know none of them 185 00:10:36,269 --> 00:10:32,740 sois diapers what let me actually what 186 00:10:38,480 --> 00:10:36,279 the story of success at that point man 187 00:10:42,060 --> 00:10:38,490 though that's a huge win that is a 188 00:10:44,250 --> 00:10:42,070 situation like that you know one thing 189 00:10:45,570 --> 00:10:44,260 that was something that was with me you 190 00:10:48,120 --> 00:10:45,580 know that that inserts of the 191 00:10:50,190 --> 00:10:48,130 investigating of the UFO phenomena I 192 00:10:52,500 --> 00:10:50,200 have to take almost appointing a break 193 00:10:55,530 --> 00:10:52,510 out of that here our once that pulse 194 00:10:57,960 --> 00:10:55,540 what result I spent enough of Nick and I 195 00:11:03,540 --> 00:10:57,970 separated myself from any kind of field 196 00:11:06,389 --> 00:11:03,550 investigation until well couple years 197 00:11:08,220 --> 00:11:06,399 ago exciting you know just delving into 198 00:11:10,769 --> 00:11:08,230 it again just you know getting books 199 00:11:15,120 --> 00:11:10,779 about it or watching YouTube video 200 00:11:17,940 --> 00:11:15,130 thinking off into the internet and well 201 00:11:21,240 --> 00:11:17,950 this year I ended up going to this 202 00:11:23,130 --> 00:11:21,250 convention that lengthen organize and I 203 00:11:27,480 --> 00:11:23,140 was really happy you know just to see 204 00:11:32,569 --> 00:11:27,490 that okay there is still room to need to 205 00:11:35,639 --> 00:11:32,579 restart and doing some research again 206 00:11:39,120 --> 00:11:35,649 but this time I'm gonna be very 207 00:11:41,370 --> 00:11:39,130 skeptical kid going it mm-hmm 208 00:11:46,260 --> 00:11:41,380 well I think I think you're a real hero 209 00:11:47,940 --> 00:11:46,270 for for that huge win and I mean saving 210 00:11:50,880 --> 00:11:47,950 the people that you did I mean you 211 00:11:53,639 --> 00:11:50,890 literally you know we're saving lives 212 00:11:55,530 --> 00:11:53,649 and I think this is a much more common 213 00:11:58,160 --> 00:11:55,540 thing than people think 214 00:12:00,060 --> 00:11:58,170 there are these scams out there and 215 00:12:02,250 --> 00:12:00,070 sadly you know when the 216 00:12:05,160 --> 00:12:02,260 extra-terrestrial like you said is mixed 217 00:12:08,250 --> 00:12:05,170 very deeply with something spiritual it 218 00:12:11,430 --> 00:12:08,260 can take on a life of its own and I 219 00:12:13,560 --> 00:12:11,440 think when you're interested in ufology 220 00:12:15,510 --> 00:12:13,570 I think it's so true that we're all kind 221 00:12:20,610 --> 00:12:15,520 of attracted to the phenomenon much like 222 00:12:24,150 --> 00:12:20,620 a moth to a flame it and cults Heaven's 223 00:12:26,639 --> 00:12:24,160 Gate whichever they they do historically 224 00:12:28,680 --> 00:12:26,649 have the power not all of them but they 225 00:12:31,110 --> 00:12:28,690 have the power through belief to 226 00:12:34,110 --> 00:12:31,120 brainwash and destroy lives literally 227 00:12:37,199 --> 00:12:34,120 and I mean the leader of the cult it's 228 00:12:40,079 --> 00:12:37,209 spooky stuff and I think that was a huge 229 00:12:41,519 --> 00:12:40,089 win on your part so mad props I think 230 00:12:43,650 --> 00:12:41,529 that that's awesome 231 00:12:45,810 --> 00:12:43,660 the the UFO 232 00:12:48,630 --> 00:12:45,820 and I agree is a very real and amazing 233 00:12:51,390 --> 00:12:48,640 thing and I'm happy that you're putting 234 00:12:56,070 --> 00:12:51,400 the toe back in the water of the UFO 235 00:12:59,040 --> 00:12:56,080 pool so to speak but carefully and that 236 00:13:02,160 --> 00:12:59,050 is probably how a great deal of 237 00:13:04,680 --> 00:13:02,170 individuals should interact with this 238 00:13:10,050 --> 00:13:04,690 because it is very easy isn't it to get 239 00:13:11,640 --> 00:13:10,060 sucked up into this that you've got to 240 00:13:13,500 --> 00:13:11,650 follow up when you're getting to this 241 00:13:19,470 --> 00:13:13,510 that's what getting any kind of 242 00:13:21,870 --> 00:13:19,480 Investigation even although you know my 243 00:13:24,990 --> 00:13:21,880 life I have the chance to experience 244 00:13:27,660 --> 00:13:25,000 different kinds of things you know and 245 00:13:29,910 --> 00:13:27,670 things that happen in my life not only 246 00:13:33,360 --> 00:13:29,920 were to us both but you know all related 247 00:13:36,210 --> 00:13:33,370 to the paranormal this particular group 248 00:13:39,150 --> 00:13:36,220 that I got internally was targeting very 249 00:13:41,190 --> 00:13:39,160 special people you know when I was going 250 00:13:43,260 --> 00:13:41,200 on when I was a little kid I was always 251 00:13:45,360 --> 00:13:43,270 having you know these prohibitions that 252 00:13:46,830 --> 00:13:45,370 ended up being true things that happened 253 00:13:52,860 --> 00:13:46,840 in the future 254 00:13:55,020 --> 00:13:52,870 i I had recalled from different ships 255 00:13:57,900 --> 00:13:55,030 ignite and things like that 256 00:13:59,520 --> 00:13:57,910 and you know more than once I was 257 00:14:02,730 --> 00:13:59,530 thinking about somebody and they just 258 00:14:04,320 --> 00:14:02,740 you know or knowing their intentions and 259 00:14:08,280 --> 00:14:04,330 then everything that I was having a 260 00:14:12,270 --> 00:14:08,290 feelings of an impact you know things 261 00:14:13,800 --> 00:14:12,280 that came true so this group was 262 00:14:15,660 --> 00:14:13,810 targeting people like that that would 263 00:14:19,410 --> 00:14:15,670 have these kind of experiences that were 264 00:14:22,500 --> 00:14:19,420 impact for sensitive people that could 265 00:14:30,000 --> 00:14:22,510 steal other people's thoughts and things 266 00:14:32,790 --> 00:14:30,010 like that so in my case it was you know 267 00:14:37,500 --> 00:14:32,800 something that I hit that thing in there 268 00:14:39,300 --> 00:14:37,510 and I wasn't lucky to get out but if 269 00:14:41,130 --> 00:14:39,310 they said before recognizing the signs 270 00:14:44,160 --> 00:14:41,140 of the group that you're fine and joined 271 00:14:46,350 --> 00:14:44,170 that he defecates look both if it's a 272 00:14:48,210 --> 00:14:46,360 very important thing there's a lot of 273 00:14:51,030 --> 00:14:48,220 local groups there's a lot of national 274 00:14:52,590 --> 00:14:51,040 groups and even if they are in the media 275 00:14:54,450 --> 00:14:52,600 you know that doesn't guarantee that 276 00:14:56,160 --> 00:14:54,460 they cannot turn into a college or 277 00:14:58,500 --> 00:14:56,170 secretly they can be a call 278 00:15:01,140 --> 00:14:58,510 mmm-hmm many of the things that they do 279 00:15:03,450 --> 00:15:01,150 for 850 and the brainwashing process is 280 00:15:04,550 --> 00:15:03,460 a creative dependency a codependency 281 00:15:08,780 --> 00:15:04,560 from the group 282 00:15:12,390 --> 00:15:08,790 you know levels of you know spiritual 283 00:15:14,130 --> 00:15:12,400 degrees that you can only acquire doing 284 00:15:17,100 --> 00:15:14,140 you know special trainings that would 285 00:15:19,260 --> 00:15:17,110 cost money so if you follow the money 286 00:15:21,210 --> 00:15:19,270 trail on these groups sometimes you can 287 00:15:22,890 --> 00:15:21,220 identify you know which ones are honors 288 00:15:25,290 --> 00:15:22,900 refilling the research and they are 289 00:15:27,120 --> 00:15:25,300 putting their time to investigate these 290 00:15:29,520 --> 00:15:27,130 phenomena but it's really interesting 291 00:15:33,930 --> 00:15:29,530 you know this has been a nice fashion 292 00:15:35,880 --> 00:15:33,940 for me and you know whenever you see 293 00:15:37,350 --> 00:15:35,890 that they're just using funds and we are 294 00:15:37,890 --> 00:15:37,360 not clear about where the funds are 295 00:15:40,080 --> 00:15:37,900 going 296 00:15:41,550 --> 00:15:40,090 that's what elbows one of the other 297 00:15:47,240 --> 00:15:41,560 signs that he's got us taking account 298 00:15:49,590 --> 00:15:47,250 when they start mixing spiritual dogma 299 00:15:52,530 --> 00:15:49,600 into the u.s. whole and they are trying 300 00:15:55,710 --> 00:15:52,540 to say you know that they would be 301 00:15:56,820 --> 00:15:55,720 messages from a special 18 loop and 302 00:16:00,570 --> 00:15:56,830 that's not true 303 00:16:02,370 --> 00:16:00,580 from that you know might take right now 304 00:16:05,070 --> 00:16:02,380 I throw the experiences that I had and 305 00:16:08,220 --> 00:16:05,080 in the past what they you know if I see 306 00:16:11,010 --> 00:16:08,230 something I better throw it stone to it 307 00:16:14,340 --> 00:16:11,020 and it better make the noise of chain 308 00:16:17,310 --> 00:16:14,350 and sometimes it it's just you know to 309 00:16:19,230 --> 00:16:17,320 prove from a very skeptical point that 310 00:16:23,490 --> 00:16:19,240 you know it's something that has to be 311 00:16:26,190 --> 00:16:23,500 there it has to be real and doing field 312 00:16:28,740 --> 00:16:26,200 research we have a lot of things you 313 00:16:31,320 --> 00:16:28,750 know that we can use measuring 314 00:16:33,420 --> 00:16:31,330 instruments and things and actually 315 00:16:35,820 --> 00:16:33,430 taking an account to prove that you know 316 00:16:40,260 --> 00:16:35,830 whatever it happened there it's not a 317 00:16:44,880 --> 00:16:40,270 natural phenomena it's something that 318 00:16:47,400 --> 00:16:44,890 can be problematic sin and so forth so 319 00:16:48,990 --> 00:16:47,410 thing aware your surrounding aware of 320 00:16:53,100 --> 00:16:49,000 the people that you're getting in or 321 00:16:55,140 --> 00:16:53,110 just associated with to investigate the 322 00:17:00,450 --> 00:16:55,150 phenomena so it's something that you 323 00:17:03,180 --> 00:17:00,460 have to be very aware yes and I I agree 324 00:17:04,439 --> 00:17:03,190 with you that it's not just UFOs but it 325 00:17:07,260 --> 00:17:04,449 is the paranormal there 326 00:17:08,569 --> 00:17:07,270 the paranormally and ufology are very 327 00:17:12,769 --> 00:17:08,579 connected in my opinion 328 00:17:15,500 --> 00:17:12,779 and I I kind of find that empathic 329 00:17:18,019 --> 00:17:15,510 individuals are among the best people on 330 00:17:20,779 --> 00:17:18,029 the planet and it's sad that they are 331 00:17:24,409 --> 00:17:20,789 targeted and preyed upon and this this 332 00:17:26,449 --> 00:17:24,419 UFO madness or whatever you want to call 333 00:17:29,630 --> 00:17:26,459 it's very real and I think many people 334 00:17:32,120 --> 00:17:29,640 complain about groups like MUFON and the 335 00:17:34,100 --> 00:17:32,130 politics involved but I think there's 336 00:17:35,180 --> 00:17:34,110 larger groups and the special training 337 00:17:38,779 --> 00:17:35,190 you mentioned sounds a lot like 338 00:17:41,240 --> 00:17:38,789 Scientology and creating that 339 00:17:45,590 --> 00:17:41,250 codependency yeah is are there 340 00:17:47,539 --> 00:17:45,600 similarities to that oh you know these 341 00:17:50,090 --> 00:17:47,549 thing makes option of people and they 342 00:17:52,340 --> 00:17:50,100 make promises the body houses the 343 00:17:54,470 --> 00:17:52,350 different future a better future but 344 00:17:56,090 --> 00:17:54,480 they've always required funds they 345 00:17:58,669 --> 00:17:56,100 always require money 346 00:18:02,049 --> 00:17:58,679 they're always milking you know the poor 347 00:18:05,389 --> 00:18:02,059 people that that cost into those groups 348 00:18:08,060 --> 00:18:05,399 to do their own that the beatings from 349 00:18:10,730 --> 00:18:08,070 the leadership and what that happen and 350 00:18:12,470 --> 00:18:10,740 the filtered services that's when you 351 00:18:16,870 --> 00:18:12,480 have to stop thinking that something 352 00:18:22,490 --> 00:18:19,850 usually if it's that part of the big 353 00:18:26,240 --> 00:18:22,500 scam they're bringing to the serious 354 00:18:28,159 --> 00:18:26,250 part of this he said before everything 355 00:18:30,649 --> 00:18:28,169 is related and this is life that they 356 00:18:33,350 --> 00:18:30,659 onion and the more you begin the more 357 00:18:36,500 --> 00:18:33,360 layers you find out that there are and 358 00:18:43,490 --> 00:18:36,510 the more ramifications everything has 359 00:18:45,620 --> 00:18:43,500 and everything is interrelated I can you 360 00:18:47,419 --> 00:18:45,630 know it doesn't wait to define it I 361 00:18:49,669 --> 00:18:47,429 could call myself maybe an empire 362 00:18:53,509 --> 00:18:49,679 because I've always been sensitive to 363 00:18:55,549 --> 00:18:53,519 any kind of a normal thing Western sense 364 00:18:58,730 --> 00:18:55,559 just you know things that could appear 365 00:19:01,490 --> 00:18:58,740 or anything like that I would always 366 00:19:08,360 --> 00:19:01,500 feel it around me and then minutes later 367 00:19:11,560 --> 00:19:08,370 it happens so being in fact that's a 368 00:19:15,320 --> 00:19:11,570 spite of my life that I cannot deny and 369 00:19:17,600 --> 00:19:15,330 I have to accept that it is what it is 370 00:19:19,820 --> 00:19:17,610 and I think that after 20 years of 371 00:19:22,260 --> 00:19:19,830 thinking you know a big break I owe you 372 00:19:25,020 --> 00:19:22,270 I gave this and I have to say 373 00:19:27,540 --> 00:19:25,030 as ready to start over again and see us 374 00:19:31,530 --> 00:19:27,550 you know for that from a different 375 00:19:34,340 --> 00:19:31,540 perspective and try to find what is 376 00:19:38,070 --> 00:19:34,350 behind all this like what happened 377 00:19:42,240 --> 00:19:38,080 yes one of the things that I realized 378 00:19:44,840 --> 00:19:42,250 both buzz that but something us for 20 379 00:19:47,340 --> 00:19:44,850 years the phrase you mean stuff and 380 00:19:50,490 --> 00:19:47,350 we're still talking about the things 381 00:19:53,820 --> 00:19:50,500 that happened 20 30 years ago this new 382 00:19:57,600 --> 00:19:53,830 sighting but it's its own more of the 383 00:19:59,100 --> 00:19:57,610 same thing so if I take the phone dais 384 00:20:01,950 --> 00:19:59,110 and I'm gonna start building if she said 385 00:20:04,940 --> 00:20:01,960 my toe into the waters again it's just 386 00:20:07,980 --> 00:20:04,950 to find out what Neil is happening and 387 00:20:13,680 --> 00:20:07,990 into that new what is what is real what 388 00:20:15,060 --> 00:20:13,690 is just tangible and start working into 389 00:20:16,740 --> 00:20:15,070 that instead of you know we actually 390 00:20:21,120 --> 00:20:16,750 want the old material that we've been 391 00:20:24,000 --> 00:20:21,130 talking forever 20-30 years ago we're 392 00:20:27,060 --> 00:20:24,010 talking about readings of information 393 00:20:29,520 --> 00:20:27,070 from the US the US government about us 394 00:20:31,800 --> 00:20:29,530 hope so that they were still talking 395 00:20:36,720 --> 00:20:31,810 about the same things and nothing else 396 00:20:41,580 --> 00:20:36,730 agreed so my idea to try to find a 397 00:20:45,240 --> 00:20:41,590 stunning points not media I have done a 398 00:20:47,490 --> 00:20:45,250 lot but you know for the most part we're 399 00:20:50,430 --> 00:20:47,500 still recycling old information it's 400 00:20:52,740 --> 00:20:50,440 time actually just start doing something 401 00:20:57,060 --> 00:20:52,750 and work together into getting new 402 00:21:00,620 --> 00:20:57,070 information new stuff that can be put 403 00:21:03,750 --> 00:21:00,630 into the table and investigate on that 404 00:21:06,120 --> 00:21:03,760 yeah there there is very little new 405 00:21:09,720 --> 00:21:06,130 stuff I mean a lot of the same things 406 00:21:13,080 --> 00:21:09,730 we're hearing they've been going on 407 00:21:15,390 --> 00:21:13,090 forever in fact the the answers from the 408 00:21:18,270 --> 00:21:15,400 cosmos these prophets or messiahs 409 00:21:21,810 --> 00:21:18,280 messiahs who can channel UFOs and aliens 410 00:21:24,240 --> 00:21:21,820 and the like I just saw recently a 411 00:21:26,970 --> 00:21:24,250 YouTube channel where a guy was doing 412 00:21:28,590 --> 00:21:26,980 exactly that Brian he he goes out and he 413 00:21:30,930 --> 00:21:28,600 prays and he does this and that the 414 00:21:33,630 --> 00:21:30,940 other thing and UFOs appear and I do 415 00:21:35,970 --> 00:21:33,640 believe that they are connected and this 416 00:21:40,010 --> 00:21:35,980 is wholehearted and this stuff can 417 00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:40,020 happen however there is some very scary 418 00:21:44,850 --> 00:21:42,010 codependency that comes along with that 419 00:21:46,260 --> 00:21:44,860 and you're a rock star for the good 420 00:21:49,110 --> 00:21:46,270 you've done for the people who were 421 00:21:52,260 --> 00:21:49,120 involved in in that situation in your 422 00:21:56,250 --> 00:21:52,270 past and I think that whenever somebody 423 00:21:59,280 --> 00:21:56,260 has that ability or they're able to 424 00:22:01,080 --> 00:21:59,290 convey this this UFO belief where it 425 00:22:03,330 --> 00:22:01,090 becomes it's almost like a madness and 426 00:22:07,650 --> 00:22:03,340 some of us joke around that it's a fever 427 00:22:10,500 --> 00:22:07,660 or a you know you have that need to like 428 00:22:15,960 --> 00:22:10,510 know more and it's almost like secret 429 00:22:18,560 --> 00:22:15,970 societies isn't it yes it works it works 430 00:22:24,330 --> 00:22:18,570 that way and also a lot of 431 00:22:27,180 --> 00:22:24,340 misinformation on things our fidelity to 432 00:22:31,280 --> 00:22:27,190 the media and just people here oh but 433 00:22:33,180 --> 00:22:31,290 it's Samantha that it has to be true and 434 00:22:35,370 --> 00:22:33,190 you've got to dig a little bit deeper 435 00:22:37,260 --> 00:22:35,380 you don't do your homework and doing 436 00:22:39,330 --> 00:22:37,270 research that smells doing research 437 00:22:41,280 --> 00:22:39,340 behind a computer and see what exposed 438 00:22:43,710 --> 00:22:41,290 it now I have seen a lot of people that 439 00:22:45,930 --> 00:22:43,720 did external things you know English 440 00:22:47,580 --> 00:22:45,940 type of information that when when 441 00:22:50,340 --> 00:22:47,590 you're doing research you know that when 442 00:22:52,830 --> 00:22:50,350 they read information from and they're 443 00:22:55,530 --> 00:22:52,840 gaining you know from other people work 444 00:22:57,630 --> 00:22:55,540 they repost them into their own progress 445 00:23:01,049 --> 00:22:57,640 and then what happens is that you know 446 00:23:03,330 --> 00:23:01,059 we get a lot of recycling and nothing in 447 00:23:05,190 --> 00:23:03,340 and then you gotta keep on digging 448 00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:05,200 deeper and deeper and you gotta be in 449 00:23:09,539 --> 00:23:07,570 the business and in conscience with 450 00:23:12,169 --> 00:23:09,549 people that are doing the real Network 451 00:23:14,789 --> 00:23:12,179 just to find out what's going on so 452 00:23:17,970 --> 00:23:14,799 that's a lot of filtering that is done 453 00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:17,980 in my opinion a lot of cleansing will 454 00:23:22,680 --> 00:23:20,890 have to be done and you're talking about 455 00:23:25,020 --> 00:23:22,690 these groups that you mentioned this dye 456 00:23:28,799 --> 00:23:25,030 that is posting the video user that want 457 00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:28,809 channels et cetera practically and then 458 00:23:35,220 --> 00:23:32,410 the USO show in that case actually I 459 00:23:38,310 --> 00:23:35,230 would really like to have a bunch of 460 00:23:40,919 --> 00:23:38,320 cameras zooming in there and infrared 461 00:23:44,060 --> 00:23:40,929 ultraviolet in on all the spectrum just 462 00:23:48,870 --> 00:23:44,070 to prove that that is not a hope that 463 00:23:50,300 --> 00:23:48,880 the law hopes to going around and maybe 464 00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:50,310 and 465 00:23:57,260 --> 00:23:53,850 sweet skeptical about this but if these 466 00:23:59,390 --> 00:23:57,270 really happened then and we can prove 467 00:24:02,390 --> 00:23:59,400 that that person they just doing the 468 00:24:05,540 --> 00:24:02,400 channel name and the UFOs appear after 469 00:24:07,580 --> 00:24:05,550 work if that's real then you know that 470 00:24:10,940 --> 00:24:07,590 person needs protection because there's 471 00:24:15,050 --> 00:24:10,950 also not a lot of groups that are 472 00:24:18,410 --> 00:24:15,060 against us from knowing the truth are 473 00:24:21,260 --> 00:24:18,420 working hard on on hiding the truth and 474 00:24:24,020 --> 00:24:21,270 part of it is also just both things are 475 00:24:26,420 --> 00:24:24,030 totally most important people and 476 00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:26,430 getting everybody confused with 477 00:24:30,700 --> 00:24:29,250 misconceptions and things that are not 478 00:24:36,590 --> 00:24:30,710 true 479 00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:36,600 seems to be such a huge motivator that's 480 00:24:41,690 --> 00:24:39,450 what I liked about that festival we went 481 00:24:43,790 --> 00:24:41,700 to that it's a non-profit and that that 482 00:24:48,890 --> 00:24:43,800 always helps when you don't have that 483 00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:48,900 you know that money incentive why is the 484 00:24:53,660 --> 00:24:52,050 mixture of religion and ufology so 485 00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:53,670 oftenly mixed and why is it such a 486 00:24:59,990 --> 00:24:55,770 dangerous mix it's super hard to avoid 487 00:25:03,050 --> 00:25:00,000 isn't it it's really hard to avoid and I 488 00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:03,060 think that after 2000 years 489 00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:06,090 Jannetty and experiencing a crisis 490 00:25:11,330 --> 00:25:08,610 that's my point of view that might be 491 00:25:14,630 --> 00:25:11,340 so one thing enough with some people 492 00:25:19,690 --> 00:25:14,640 that can refuel that image of Christ 493 00:25:22,730 --> 00:25:19,700 coming back to famous on the UFO and the 494 00:25:24,500 --> 00:25:22,740 potential of spirituality and having a 495 00:25:26,950 --> 00:25:24,510 constant price that will come in the 496 00:25:30,350 --> 00:25:26,960 spaceship is both for bringing feelings 497 00:25:32,330 --> 00:25:30,360 and there's always being a spiritual 498 00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:32,340 connection because if you go back in 499 00:25:39,020 --> 00:25:36,450 history you'll see that summon any kind 500 00:25:40,580 --> 00:25:39,030 of spiritual leaders from any kind of 501 00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:40,590 religion all around the world right 502 00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:43,650 history they have that kind of spiritual 503 00:25:50,630 --> 00:25:48,210 communication with spirits ghosts things 504 00:25:53,420 --> 00:25:50,640 from other wheels and that's when the 505 00:25:56,930 --> 00:25:53,430 UFO thing you know it takes in because 506 00:25:58,760 --> 00:25:56,940 you see them coming from the heavens you 507 00:26:01,550 --> 00:25:58,770 see them popping at me not from under 508 00:26:03,299 --> 00:26:01,560 the water and then they communicate you 509 00:26:06,980 --> 00:26:03,309 know for most films in the face 510 00:26:10,860 --> 00:26:06,990 way it's being sold you know in 511 00:26:12,570 --> 00:26:10,870 history's run all around the web from 512 00:26:15,629 --> 00:26:12,580 thousands of years that they 513 00:26:22,379 --> 00:26:15,639 communicating with us in a democratic 514 00:26:27,450 --> 00:26:22,389 way so that's where the paranormal the 515 00:26:30,060 --> 00:26:27,460 nardole useful kicks in and we we end up 516 00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:30,070 mixing everything all into one big mesh 517 00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:35,610 and their spiritual gets intertwine with 518 00:26:40,109 --> 00:26:37,690 something that might not be that 519 00:26:43,049 --> 00:26:40,119 spiritual it's just you know one of the 520 00:26:45,269 --> 00:26:43,059 many activities of human beings being 521 00:26:49,769 --> 00:26:45,279 having the possibility of communication 522 00:26:51,690 --> 00:26:49,779 tactically mm-hmm I think that is always 523 00:26:53,279 --> 00:26:51,700 something that it's been related to the 524 00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:53,289 spiritual stuff because we get 525 00:26:58,350 --> 00:26:55,570 revelations of prophets get revelation 526 00:27:00,629 --> 00:26:58,360 so inspiration and they got it in their 527 00:27:01,590 --> 00:27:00,639 heads through God that's also 528 00:27:04,100 --> 00:27:01,600 telepathically 529 00:27:08,249 --> 00:27:04,110 and that's a very big link that people 530 00:27:12,269 --> 00:27:08,259 would go for and buy from sometimes so 531 00:27:15,590 --> 00:27:12,279 poor girls and people that come and tell 532 00:27:18,389 --> 00:27:15,600 you that you know they are channeling 533 00:27:20,519 --> 00:27:18,399 beings from other planets or from other 534 00:27:26,369 --> 00:27:20,529 dimensions and that's you know when 535 00:27:28,470 --> 00:27:26,379 everything get that big mix-up and you 536 00:27:30,509 --> 00:27:28,480 know most most most of times to do end 537 00:27:32,249 --> 00:27:30,519 up being the host somebody don't want to 538 00:27:34,049 --> 00:27:32,259 get a name somebody who wants to make 539 00:27:40,799 --> 00:27:34,059 money out of it and how many people out 540 00:27:43,169 --> 00:27:40,809 of there mm-hmm it it is a lot of 541 00:27:44,999 --> 00:27:43,179 hoaxing a lot of hoaxing and like you 542 00:27:48,570 --> 00:27:45,009 mentioned on YouTube a lot of that with 543 00:27:50,369 --> 00:27:48,580 CGI now that's super easy to do it seems 544 00:27:52,049 --> 00:27:50,379 like a lot of these groups and I don't 545 00:27:54,180 --> 00:27:52,059 want to name names cuz there's so many 546 00:27:56,789 --> 00:27:54,190 of them but it takes a pretty penny to 547 00:27:59,340 --> 00:27:56,799 interact with these quote-unquote 548 00:28:01,529 --> 00:27:59,350 groups and entities and seems like 549 00:28:03,210 --> 00:28:01,539 there's a you know there's always a core 550 00:28:05,029 --> 00:28:03,220 group of individuals and those are the 551 00:28:09,499 --> 00:28:05,039 ones that spend the most money 552 00:28:16,790 --> 00:28:09,509 you mentioned a uh-huh and you also many 553 00:28:18,860 --> 00:28:16,800 yeah go on before 554 00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:18,870 follow the money I did not name names 555 00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:22,530 either because people are reading so 556 00:28:27,050 --> 00:28:24,450 happy and even though we have the 557 00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:27,060 benefit here in the states that you know 558 00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:29,490 freedom of speech if I say no that I 559 00:28:32,930 --> 00:28:31,650 believe or I think you know somebody can 560 00:28:35,180 --> 00:28:32,940 see for naming names 561 00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:35,190 but people can recognize these groups 562 00:28:41,300 --> 00:28:39,810 and these individuals are acting in the 563 00:28:45,020 --> 00:28:41,310 name of money rather than they 564 00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:45,030 experience about everything and I'm not 565 00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:47,370 against you know making money out of 566 00:28:52,220 --> 00:28:50,370 this for instance you might I go to the 567 00:28:54,770 --> 00:28:52,230 convention I could participate other 568 00:28:57,380 --> 00:28:54,780 things but I can fill my own boat just 569 00:28:59,090 --> 00:28:57,390 to find very reason and I would be okay 570 00:29:01,670 --> 00:28:59,100 with that that's that's a different 571 00:29:05,870 --> 00:29:01,680 matter that when somebody is making 572 00:29:09,650 --> 00:29:05,880 money out of innocent people gullible 573 00:29:12,500 --> 00:29:09,660 people and somebody's studying them you 574 00:29:14,980 --> 00:29:12,510 know just that information and they make 575 00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:14,990 a cult or a group that generates 576 00:29:21,230 --> 00:29:17,730 codependency through their members input 577 00:29:23,230 --> 00:29:21,240 a one-liter that it's just telling them 578 00:29:26,150 --> 00:29:23,240 you gotta be this you gotta do that 579 00:29:28,790 --> 00:29:26,160 that's when I get the goosebumps 580 00:29:32,990 --> 00:29:28,800 that's what I say then something there 581 00:29:34,510 --> 00:29:33,000 that it's just not going right you say 582 00:29:37,790 --> 00:29:34,520 so 583 00:29:41,690 --> 00:29:37,800 you gotta use a lot of experimenting all 584 00:29:43,180 --> 00:29:41,700 over the money trail a long time yeah I 585 00:29:47,090 --> 00:29:43,190 can't agree more 586 00:29:48,740 --> 00:29:47,100 also Brian the paranormal spirits go 587 00:29:51,620 --> 00:29:48,750 cetys I know you've had a lot of 588 00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:51,630 experiences switching gears just a 589 00:29:55,790 --> 00:29:54,090 little bit and jumping into that what 590 00:29:58,040 --> 00:29:55,800 are some of the most unique experiences 591 00:29:58,970 --> 00:29:58,050 you had that we're sincere or that made 592 00:30:06,800 --> 00:29:58,980 an impression on you 593 00:30:12,730 --> 00:30:06,810 through the years well he remember the 594 00:30:17,750 --> 00:30:12,740 week talks about skinwalker ranch 595 00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:17,760 opposed to home I've proven by the area 596 00:30:22,070 --> 00:30:20,010 of several times you know that being 597 00:30:24,350 --> 00:30:22,080 close to the area's you know going to 598 00:30:27,530 --> 00:30:24,360 vernal or night 1600 fishing or camping 599 00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:27,540 trip being close by you know when I went 600 00:30:30,610 --> 00:30:35,480 Thompson are just strawberry and 601 00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:40,830 starvation and French is one of those 602 00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:43,210 the most interesting thing years ago I 603 00:30:47,850 --> 00:30:45,970 heard about two Walker ranch and 604 00:30:50,070 --> 00:30:47,860 everything that was going on there and 605 00:30:55,230 --> 00:30:50,080 we talked about back in August when we 606 00:30:56,669 --> 00:30:55,240 met there as a convention and one thing 607 00:30:59,009 --> 00:30:56,679 that happened to me is that you know 608 00:31:02,279 --> 00:30:59,019 just say I was just quiet in my in my 609 00:31:04,769 --> 00:31:02,289 room once after watching this and I had 610 00:31:11,279 --> 00:31:04,779 kind of a remote feeling of the place 611 00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:11,289 and my real feeling of the place was you 612 00:31:15,060 --> 00:31:13,330 know everything had shifted and what was 613 00:31:18,299 --> 00:31:15,070 happening in one place no it was 614 00:31:20,730 --> 00:31:18,309 happening on the other and then you know 615 00:31:23,100 --> 00:31:20,740 where are you when we met and we stopped 616 00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:23,110 to talk about the issue and I shared 617 00:31:27,060 --> 00:31:25,690 with you my experience with what's been 618 00:31:28,649 --> 00:31:27,070 burned by the other people that were 619 00:31:30,870 --> 00:31:28,659 sitting up with people that everything 620 00:31:35,039 --> 00:31:30,880 was shifted was just a big surprise to 621 00:31:37,740 --> 00:31:35,049 me and couple weeks ago I was watching 622 00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:37,750 some videos about the same thing on 623 00:31:45,029 --> 00:31:42,570 YouTube and now the confirmation came by 624 00:31:47,909 --> 00:31:45,039 but everything that was happening inside 625 00:31:51,570 --> 00:31:47,919 the run our company outside or somewhere 626 00:31:55,310 --> 00:31:51,580 else so that actually came like I think 627 00:31:58,289 --> 00:31:55,320 wow I think aha moment that that remotes 628 00:32:00,690 --> 00:31:58,299 feeling that I had a couple of years ago 629 00:32:02,310 --> 00:32:00,700 about the things shifting and nothing on 630 00:32:08,129 --> 00:32:02,320 the same place that they were happening 631 00:32:10,230 --> 00:32:08,139 before anything true yeah so one of my 632 00:32:12,379 --> 00:32:10,240 life I have several experiences like 633 00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:12,389 that 634 00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:15,850 bidding processes and and thinking I was 635 00:32:23,580 --> 00:32:19,330 doing some research many many years ago 636 00:32:27,029 --> 00:32:23,590 in the city of Korea in the province of 637 00:32:30,299 --> 00:32:27,039 Asbury affecting Augustine and the same 638 00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:30,309 thing happened you know we were in a 639 00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:34,570 hill that so it's reported you know that 640 00:32:38,789 --> 00:32:36,370 there was a lot of beautiful tidings in 641 00:32:44,190 --> 00:32:38,799 there and getting out of that hill and 642 00:32:47,130 --> 00:32:44,200 we have like five mile walk 643 00:32:49,590 --> 00:32:47,140 back to our camping sites and I was 644 00:32:54,150 --> 00:32:49,600 fitting that you know just very blessed 645 00:32:56,760 --> 00:32:54,160 all the way and finally made it back to 646 00:33:00,900 --> 00:32:56,770 hundreds our camping sites and then the 647 00:33:02,630 --> 00:33:00,910 following day or you know just we didn't 648 00:33:05,580 --> 00:33:02,640 see anything that the following day 649 00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:05,590 people were reporting you know sightings 650 00:33:10,470 --> 00:33:08,170 and weird things happening you know 651 00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:10,480 around our houses and you know in that 652 00:33:17,340 --> 00:33:14,290 area so but that kind of things you know 653 00:33:19,170 --> 00:33:17,350 the only slower thing but I couldn't 654 00:33:21,330 --> 00:33:19,180 think point expecting one that was more 655 00:33:22,980 --> 00:33:21,340 than the other one that one of the most 656 00:33:25,350 --> 00:33:22,990 interesting lately is just you know I 657 00:33:27,450 --> 00:33:25,360 inspired to down back and cook you know 658 00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:27,460 just go back into the into the basement 659 00:33:34,020 --> 00:33:32,530 of your house and where she's sitting 660 00:33:36,900 --> 00:33:34,030 there just put my foot into the water 661 00:33:38,250 --> 00:33:36,910 again and there we go we met and I would 662 00:33:40,980 --> 00:33:38,260 be able to confirm something that 663 00:33:44,460 --> 00:33:40,990 happened although result about the shift 664 00:33:49,380 --> 00:33:44,470 that is happening right now and get a 665 00:33:53,490 --> 00:33:49,390 walker ranch mm-hmm yeah there is 666 00:33:56,340 --> 00:33:53,500 definitely a shift and it's it's it's a 667 00:33:59,400 --> 00:33:56,350 weird one and you know the remote 668 00:34:01,290 --> 00:33:59,410 viewing is so very real Brian and the 669 00:34:03,090 --> 00:34:01,300 view you shared with us was pretty cool 670 00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:03,100 you're such a great guy I wish our 671 00:34:07,500 --> 00:34:04,690 listeners need you the way I do luckily 672 00:34:09,260 --> 00:34:07,510 you talking with me and and that I think 673 00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:09,270 they're getting to know you a bit and 674 00:34:14,370 --> 00:34:11,890 learning some valuable tools and red 675 00:34:16,110 --> 00:34:14,380 flags to watch out for if they get 676 00:34:19,710 --> 00:34:16,120 involved with these groups or they're 677 00:34:21,870 --> 00:34:19,720 thinking about it and I can't thank you 678 00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:21,880 enough for coming on are there any final 679 00:34:37,889 --> 00:34:24,130 thoughts or ideas Brian for our 680 00:34:39,930 --> 00:34:37,899 listeners before we let you go I want 681 00:34:42,389 --> 00:34:39,940 you to stone in stating that you've got 682 00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:42,399 so much excitement any into something 683 00:34:50,370 --> 00:34:46,810 that it's not an edible thing keep your 684 00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:50,380 feet on the ground always look for in 685 00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:54,130 our Restless be aware if your 686 00:34:57,990 --> 00:34:55,450 surroundings you know where are the 687 00:35:01,349 --> 00:34:58,000 people that you relate with 688 00:35:03,990 --> 00:35:01,359 just don't make the spiritual with the 689 00:35:05,940 --> 00:35:04,000 USO because one thing is just you know 690 00:35:08,490 --> 00:35:05,950 curative research and the other one it 691 00:35:11,250 --> 00:35:08,500 your spiritual needs and they don't 692 00:35:15,150 --> 00:35:11,260 totally separately in my experience you 693 00:35:17,210 --> 00:35:15,160 know you're not related and whatever you 694 00:35:19,140 --> 00:35:17,220 do you know just use the buddy system 695 00:35:22,530 --> 00:35:19,150 never going on 696 00:35:24,720 --> 00:35:22,540 never leave the group because this is 697 00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:24,730 also a very serious thing you don't know 698 00:35:31,589 --> 00:35:29,410 what you're dealing with so always you 699 00:35:33,329 --> 00:35:31,599 got to be careful you know what are you 700 00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:33,339 getting to not only just you're not 701 00:35:42,290 --> 00:35:38,849 places you know that you don't know that 702 00:35:45,300 --> 00:35:42,300 you don't know do it I'm in a room and 703 00:35:47,430 --> 00:35:45,310 you know do your homework and there's 704 00:35:49,140 --> 00:35:47,440 nothing wrong I'm just you know googling 705 00:35:51,780 --> 00:35:49,150 or investigating the people here you're 706 00:35:54,450 --> 00:35:51,790 relating with or you know leaders of 707 00:35:56,660 --> 00:35:54,460 group just beware of those you know when 708 00:36:00,450 --> 00:35:56,670 they try to study some information 709 00:36:02,609 --> 00:36:00,460 support man you're so right and you've 710 00:36:04,410 --> 00:36:02,619 devoted so much time to the effort and I 711 00:36:06,660 --> 00:36:04,420 appreciate you giving people these tools 712 00:36:09,300 --> 00:36:06,670 and the heads up I hope to talk to you 713 00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:09,310 soon Brian and blessings my man thanks 714 00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:27,010 for coming on the podcast I would love 715 00:36:31,559 --> 00:36:28,690 it I would love to go out camping in the 716 00:36:35,309 --> 00:36:31,569 desert again it was a blast 717 00:36:37,950 --> 00:36:35,319 all right take care yes sir 718 00:36:42,059 --> 00:36:37,960 the real deal is real in the field as 719 00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:42,069 they get he's a good guy mr. Brian Bach 720 00:36:49,349 --> 00:36:46,210 and we will continue to bring you the 721 00:36:52,340 --> 00:36:49,359 best heroes in the field I mean a guy 722 00:36:55,580 --> 00:36:52,350 literally saving lives and 723 00:36:59,030 --> 00:36:55,590 getting people out including himself of 724 00:37:01,550 --> 00:36:59,040 UFO cults there is a dark side to this 725 00:37:05,900 --> 00:37:01,560 and it's important to be able to see 726 00:37:09,140 --> 00:37:05,910 that you mix religion and UFOs and you 727 00:37:14,090 --> 00:37:09,150 get a very toxic and dangerous mix that 728 00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:14,100 can quite literally kill so I really 729 00:37:19,610 --> 00:37:16,890 appreciate having them so do your best 730 00:37:23,030 --> 00:37:19,620 and stay in touch with hero paranormal 731 00:37:26,150 --> 00:37:23,040 podcast go to hero paranormal com feel 732 00:37:29,630 --> 00:37:26,160 free to check out the archive button 733 00:37:31,850 --> 00:37:29,640 which is also the donate button and you 734 00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:31,860 can get all our archives there you can 735 00:37:38,270 --> 00:37:34,650 also get more hero paranormal and hero 736 00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:38,280 paranormal dot pod beam comm where you 737 00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:41,010 can get an archive of all of our free 738 00:37:45,830 --> 00:37:43,050 episodes if you want patron only 739 00:37:48,770 --> 00:37:45,840 episodes definitely become a patron and 740 00:37:49,780 --> 00:37:48,780 I don't mind a little shameless 741 00:37:52,070 --> 00:37:49,790 self-promotion 742 00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:52,080 don't be scared of that donate button 743 00:37:55,070 --> 00:37:53,610 shoot us a buck shoot this five bucks 744 00:37:57,470 --> 00:37:55,080 for the price of a designer cup of 745 00:37:59,930 --> 00:37:57,480 coffee we'll keep bringing you the 746 00:38:03,680 --> 00:37:59,940 heroes of the paranormal and ufology 747 00:38:07,820 --> 00:38:03,690 fields and there's a lot of strange 748 00:38:13,010 --> 00:38:07,830 stuff going on so keep in touch Brian 749 00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:13,020 Bach a genuinely good guy and not just 750 00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:15,930 that he actually has an email address 751 00:38:21,260 --> 00:38:19,130 for anybody that is involved in 752 00:38:23,750 --> 00:38:21,270 something that they're not quite sure of 753 00:38:27,410 --> 00:38:23,760 they're worried about cult-like behavior 754 00:38:29,660 --> 00:38:27,420 any of these things he has a special 755 00:38:34,940 --> 00:38:29,670 email address that I am going to give 756 00:38:40,720 --> 00:38:34,950 you it is t a B as in boy s paranormal 757 00:38:43,100 --> 00:38:40,730 at gmail.com that's T a B as in boy s 758 00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:43,110 paranormal at gmail.com 759 00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:47,690 and that stands for truth about BS 760 00:38:54,410 --> 00:38:52,050 paranormal so yeah he definitely has the 761 00:38:56,810 --> 00:38:54,420 skillset and the tools available to help 762 00:39:00,410 --> 00:38:56,820 you point out the red flags if you are 763 00:39:02,900 --> 00:39:00,420 in a cult and trying to get out of it or 764 00:39:04,359 --> 00:39:02,910 if you are being drawn into something 765 00:39:06,339 --> 00:39:04,369 that it's cult-like 766 00:39:08,710 --> 00:39:06,349 you want more information about it give 767 00:39:12,099 --> 00:39:08,720 Brian a call he's in it for the 768 00:39:16,599 --> 00:39:12,109 altruistic reasons not wanting the 769 00:39:19,690 --> 00:39:16,609 things most others want so if you are in 770 00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:19,700 a state of need please don't be scared 771 00:39:24,430 --> 00:39:22,130 to use that email address Brian can 772 00:39:28,029 --> 00:39:24,440 definitely help you out can't thank him 773 00:39:32,049 --> 00:39:28,039 enough he is just a wholeheartedly 774 00:39:34,599 --> 00:39:32,059 altruistic good guy so on that note keep 775 00:39:37,359 --> 00:39:34,609 your eyes to the skies feet on the 776 00:39:46,260 --> 00:39:37,369 ground but don't forget to take a look